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Update part 3, the beginning:
Tried several iterations of guide updating, including going back to zap 2 it, deleting my zip code, removing zap setting everything to zero, etc.
I have not been able to get a successful guide update. It just hangs and tells me that 0 downloaded channels ,etc. Any thoughts anyone?
I have set and reset all the replays except the virtual since I can't set it.
Also note that I am not proxying the data to the replays, only using it for the channel guide and JIT. The replays get their info thru DNNA. Is there any setting that I might need to change or on the other side, anything that might be different since I am not serving the info to the replays. |
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Okay, after monkeying again for quite awhile, I found that by enabling zap2it and changing the zip code and then changing all the replays I was able to finally get it to download the channel guide.
I then changed back to my zip code and then redid the channel guide and now it appears to be working.
But JIT is scheduling shows that I have already set up in the DNRA db. That is a different problem. I will pm Glenn with the error messages. |
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I tried those things but it didn't make any difference for me. I also completely reinstalled a couple of times but I wind up in the same place.
I get no guide and it errors directly after finding the channel lineups, whether it uses Zap2it or not. I've tried "Proxy guide data to DNNA:" both checked and unchecked. I've changed to several different zip codes and picked different lineups for the RTVs... still no joy
What version is WiRNS now? I am showing v2.0 build 0 revision 0. Is that correct? 
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I never did get 2.0 working and reverted back to 1.3.2 successfully with zap2it.
I would think there was a separate zap2it issue over the last weekend during which, when I was fiddling with 2.0, I coudn't get any response from either zap2it or DNNA. It did seem that Wirns 2.0 isn't updating the channel lineups correctly so even when you assign a lineup to your replays and update, you get back 0 channels found and subscript index errors. Hdonzis in another thread mentioned this and was able to delete the old lineups apparently from the Registry and get something working, but I couldn't find that info in the Registry even when I did a find on the data.
When I went back to 1.3.2 and saw zap2it working there, I was just happy I had some working guide info so will stay pat for awhile longer on this level. |
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I also had to abandon 2.0 but because of the JIT problems. It kept recording show that it should not have. It basically wasn't paying attention to my dnra database.
Scott, did you try changing the zip codes and then changing all the replays and then reverting back? That was the only way I could get it to work for me and then I had no problems with the channel guide updates once I got over the initial hump. |
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Yes, I did, our city has 13 villages and for some reason with zap2it and DNNA both some villages are in there as separate listings under their village zipcode even though all the city cable providers (Comcast, RCN,Verizon FIOS) are the same throughout the city. I could change the zip code and see the lineup change, then choose the lineup for each of my replays. At that point though a manual guide update provoked the information for 0 channels log entry and subscript out of bounds error in the debug log.
When I deleted my zipcode, used a zero, and then put my zap2it info back in, I never saw the lineups change back to their labs.zap2it.com titles, and I still got the same errors.
One of my replays updated, got an empty channel lineup and then wouldn't change channels at all....that pretty much nuked further experimentation...esp when I could get 1.3.2 to work. |
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Update on my situation from earlier in this thread, I happened to check & see if there were any updates & after those were applied, I clicked on update guide & it actually downloaded what channel lineups were available.
I went & changed each replay to what channel guide I wanted to use (picked one for replay's w/ digital boxes & another one for ones without) & had it update the guide again. Which it downloaded the guide data for both sets of channels.
Once that happened, I went into the channel remap portion & unchecked the channels that I didn't want to recieve & did another guide update, which it showed that it was getting data for a lot less channels.
A couple things that I have noticed:
Wirns doesn't go out & update the channel guide everyday like before, but instead it looks like its every 3 or 4 days (mind you i am not using the Lab2it connection)
When selecting the channel guide from the actual replay it shows:
1) comcast (digital)
2) comcast - digital (digital)
3) dish
4) directv
5) Antenna.
But on wirns it doesn't list it like this but instead like
King county
South King County
I am assuming that its pulling directly from DNNA now or from another location ? |
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| choli0090 wrote: | | Wirns doesn't go out & update the channel guide everyday like before, but instead it looks like its every 3 or 4 days (mind you i am not using the Lab2it connection) |
WiRNS is using the same algorithm for downloading the channel guide that the ReplayTV does. This is the same algoritm that WiRNS used for Zap2It as well when Zap2It was having problems with too much demand. It is probably important the WiRNS not put any more load on DNNA than the Replay it is substituting does...
Just like the Replay, it will first fully populate the channel guide. But, on subsequent days, it will update the current day to make sure that it is up to date, the next couple of days, and then skip days which are not as likely to change their programming. WiRNS will always be "current" for the current day and next couple of days and will still have "good" information for the following two weeks...
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| choli0090 wrote: | Update on my situation from earlier in this thread, I happened to check & see if there were any updates & after those were applied, I clicked on update guide & it actually downloaded what channel lineups were available.
I went & changed each replay to what channel guide I wanted to use (picked one for replay's w/ digital boxes & another one for ones without) & had it update the guide again. Which it downloaded the guide data for both sets of channels.
Once that happened, I went into the channel remap portion & unchecked the channels that I didn't want to recieve & did another guide update, which it showed that it was getting data for a lot less channels.
A couple things that I have noticed:
Wirns doesn't go out & update the channel guide everyday like before, but instead it looks like its every 3 or 4 days (mind you i am not using the Lab2it connection)
When selecting the channel guide from the actual replay it shows:
1) comcast (digital)
2) comcast - digital (digital)
3) dish
4) directv
5) Antenna.
But on wirns it doesn't list it like this but instead like
King county
South King County
I am assuming that its pulling directly from DNNA now or from another location ? |
I posted an update yesterday afternoon that takes care of the Digital channel issues.
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| hdonzis wrote: | | choli0090 wrote: | | Wirns doesn't go out & update the channel guide everyday like before, but instead it looks like its every 3 or 4 days (mind you i am not using the Lab2it connection) |
WiRNS is using the same algorithm for downloading the channel guide that the ReplayTV does. This is the same algoritm that WiRNS used for Zap2It as well when Zap2It was having problems with too much demand. It is probably important the WiRNS not put any more load on DNNA than the Replay it is substituting does...
Just like the Replay, it will first fully populate the channel guide. But, on subsequent days, it will update the current day to make sure that it is up to date, the next couple of days, and then skip days which are not as likely to change their programming. WiRNS will always be "current" for the current day and next couple of days and will still have "good" information for the following two weeks...
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Well, now I'm not totally sure what you were reporting. When I checked my WiRNS status this morning, I see that it didn't run a daily guide update, but instead says that it isn't going to run another guide update until Friday, July 13th. And, the Replay DOES try to update each and every day, so I don't know what's up with this. There is nothing in the log to report when the next guide update is going to take place like there is when using Zap2It, so it isn't clear what's going on...
Henry
I thought I would post what this looks like for clarity. I manually updated the guide today since it didn't happen automatically. WiRNS says that the next auto guide update will be in 3 days:
Status:
Running since: 7/10/07 1:02:30 PM
Guide Update Completed: 7/11/07 9:52:25 AM
Next Guide Update: 7/14/07 2:00:00 AM
ToDo Refresh Completed: 7/11/07 9:59:21 AM
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: Show Search Shows All Providers |
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This is quite exciting:
Even though I only have the Time Warner lineups selected (both analog and digital), I apparently NOW have access to all of my video providers, and am planning to record the show from most of them! 
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I am also seeing this issue, and unfortunately, I think it is causing issues with JIT. OUCH.....  |
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Houston looks like we have a problem.
And Henry don't feel too bad... mine isn't scheduled to update the guide for 3 weeks. 
I'm now seeing both digital and analog cable lineups (not that I wanted or needed that) but they are only available on the Replays under analog cable box. Not a prob really as long as you know where to look for them. Took me a while to figure that out, no lineups available under Digital Cable box now.
Another new problem is that a rename after a renumber no longer works. The remap csv takes the correct renumber and rename but it seems to get superseded in the db. Rename without a renumber still goes through, as does filtering. I have one renumber/rename channel that sticks in the db, but it is out in the digital range with no analog counterpart. So I suspect the new rename/remapping problem is related to the fact that WiRNS checks the analog cable lineup every connect (and all possible lineups for the zip) even those not used. All of my channels that now don't rename correctly end up stuck with the analog call sign and they exist identically in both the analog and digital cable lineups. The analog cable lineup is not selected for any replay, nor is it listed in the csv file.
Another thing I noticed...the filtering is still global even with the separate lineups now distinguished in the remapchan.csv... i.e. any channel edited gets applied to all lineups with that call sign at that number. So I can't see what the lineup ID does in the csv file besides confirm for us which group is which?
Manually editing/swapping the csv file now seems to require restarting WiRNS, then a manual update guide to get it into the db. Earlier I would swear it loaded every guide update without restarting, which I only know because DISH changes some channels/numbers almost daily and when using renumbers in the csv file, saving it (a second time) using the remap editor hoses the db. A third save from the editor removes remaps altogether, so any changes after the initial save with the remap editor need to be done manually in the actual file to keep renumbers correct in the db. |
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| KenL wrote: | Houston looks like we have a problem.
And Henry don't feel too bad... mine isn't scheduled to update the guide for 3 weeks.
I'm now seeing both digital and analog cable lineups (not that I wanted or needed that) but they are only available on the Replays under analog cable box. Not a prob really as long as you know where to look for them. Took me a while to figure that out, no lineups available under Digital Cable box now. |
That's quite an interesting problem and that probably was the easist way to solve it (kind of by accident). DNNA provides your combination analog/digital cable lineup in a single lineup with the analog channels marked analog and the digital channels marked digital. The Replay then splits that into two lineups on your Replay -- analog cable and digital cable. For digital cable, it takes the provider name and simply adds "(Digital)" on the end of the name.
OK, so in order for WiRNS to have an appropriate channel remap, channel guide, JIT, ToDo, etc., it also has to split the single cable provider into two separate providers, analog and digital, just like the Replay does. But, then WiRNS ALSO has to be able to feed lineups to the Replay, in which case it needs to merge the two lineups back into a single lineup again. What works kind of by accident is that WiRNS is feeding the two lineups to your Replay as separate analog cable lineups and you are still getting both choices without them being separated by analog or digital. I think it's strange that U-Verse (AT&T Home Entertainment) shows up in the analog cable section just because Sonic Blue didn't have the foresight to allow for provider types other than Air, Cable, and Satellite. So, AT&T's U-Verse simply has to go in one of those categories, so they mark it as Cable. In addition, they could have marked all the channels as digital, and then you would find it under Digital Cable instead of under Analog Cable. Although, I don't know what happens when a cable provider has no analog channels marked (which will happen in some years in the future) if the listing will disappear from the Analog Cable selection. It could be that they have a problem with that and if U-Verse had been marked as all digital channels that there still would have been a provider listed under Analog Cable with no channels available. Anyway, just like U-Verse kind of works by simply allowing it to show up under Analog Cable, so does WiRNS separation of digital cable channels, which already have the word "(Digital)" tacked on the end.
And, if WiRNS WERE to mark the digital lineups as digital channels, then I think you'd have a similar problem to the U-Verse problem. First, what would show up under the Analog Cable menu on the Replay, and second, the name in the Digital Cable menu selection would say "(Digital) (Digital)" because WiRNS already tacked "(Digital)" on the end of the lineup and then the Replay would also tack "(Digital)" on the end of the lineup name.
So, the answer would have to be for WiRNS to glue the two lineups back together as a single lineup with the original lineup name (without "(Digital)" tacked on the end) so that the Replay could take the lineup apart into the Analog Cable and Digital Cable choices. In addition, since you can use the channel remap editor to remove channels, what would happen if you removed all the analog channels from WiRNS? Then you would end up with the same scenario that you have a cable lineup that has no analog channels. However, I'm not sure how big of a deal it would be to have a provider listed under Analog Cable and when you selected it, it didn't have any channels. Again, that's what would probably happen if they had allowed U-Verse to come in as 100% digital channels instead of 100% analog channels.
So, I guess it's kind of a shame that Sonic Blue split out the analog cable and digital cable in the first place and made this artificial lineup where they simply tack "(Digital)" on the end of the lineup name. As you know, Zap2It configured two completely separate lineups for analog and digital and could care less how you used them. I guess you could see what would happen if you took a Zap2It digital channel lineup going through WiRNS and mapped out all of the analog channels in Zap2It (better hurry up before it stops working). I've never tried using a digital lineup from Zap2It through WiRNS, but does it show up under Digital Cable or Analog Cable? Anyway, however it shows up, you could mess around with your Zap2It lineup going through WiRNS and see what happens if there is 100% analog channels or 100% digital channels...
Henry
P.S. I also submitted several channel remap problems to Ryan...
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| hdonzis wrote: | ...I guess you could see what would happen if you took a Zap2It digital channel lineup going through WiRNS and mapped out all of the analog channels in Zap2It (better hurry up before it stops working). I've never tried using a digital lineup from Zap2It through WiRNS, but does it show up under Digital Cable or Analog Cable? Anyway, however it shows up, you could mess around with your Zap2It lineup going through WiRNS and see what happens if there is 100% analog channels or 100% digital channels...
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I can't check right now but didn't all WiRNS Zap2It lineups show up under sat (or any) box? I did use both analog and digital cable Zap2It lineups for various reasons and they never interfered except that the remap editor always applied any combo of channel name/number edits to all such instances in any lineup.
That might explain why we can't readily *wrangle* (WiRNS) OTA DNNA lineups onto satbox or cablebox inputs like with Zap2It. But perhaps it doesn't matter much in the long run because DNNA OTA will surely disappear entirely. The analog OTA input will certainly be obsolete for Replays. However cable should still provide limited analog by 2009, if DNNA continues providing listings/activation that long?
It was sure nice to *officially* use different zip codes for different inputs, OTA on line inputs, and all the flexibility of Zap2It. And how about unselect 1,600 unwanted channels with few clicks? Suppose we will end up somewhat more limited for the time being. |
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| KenL wrote: | | hdonzis wrote: | ...I guess you could see what would happen if you took a Zap2It digital channel lineup going through WiRNS and mapped out all of the analog channels in Zap2It (better hurry up before it stops working). I've never tried using a digital lineup from Zap2It through WiRNS, but does it show up under Digital Cable or Analog Cable? Anyway, however it shows up, you could mess around with your Zap2It lineup going through WiRNS and see what happens if there is 100% analog channels or 100% digital channels...
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I can't check right now but didn't all WiRNS Zap2It lineups show up under sat (or any) box? I did use both analog and digital cable Zap2It lineups for various reasons and they never interfered except that the remap editor always applied any combo of channel name/number edits to all such instances in any lineup. |
Yeah, that was my question. So, if all the Zap2It lineups showed up under one menu choice, is it really any big deal that the WiRNS DNNA lineups also show up under one menu choice? That is, if Zap2It digital lineups didn't show up under Digital Cable, is it any big deal that the WiRNS digital lineups don't show up under Digital Cable?
| KenL wrote: | | That might explain why we can't readily *wrangle* (WiRNS) OTA DNNA lineups onto satbox or cablebox inputs like with Zap2It. But perhaps it doesn't matter much in the long run because DNNA OTA will surely disappear entirely. The analog OTA input will certainly be obsolete for Replays. However cable should still provide limited analog by 2009, if DNNA continues providing listings/activation that long? |
Yeah, that what I was saying, that I was wondering what would happen to the Analog Cable menu when there aren't any more analog channels?
| KenL wrote: | | It was sure nice to *officially* use different zip codes for different inputs, OTA on line inputs, and all the flexibility of Zap2It. And how about unselect 1,600 unwanted channels with few clicks? Suppose we will end up somewhat more limited for the time being. |
Oh, I hadn't thought about how you can configure each Zap2It lineup with a different zipcode. And, while I wouldn't want to pre-suppose anything, I'm not sure why WiRNS couldn't provide the same support for a zipcode per lineup. I'm just not sure what that would look like at the DNNA side if a Replay was downloading different guide data for different zipcodes. I would have to guess that WiRNS would have to make multiple connections to DNNA to get the guide data for different zipcodes...
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Show Search Shows All Providers |
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| hdonzis wrote: | | I apparently NOW have access to all of my video providers |
The simple solution would be to just go ahead and subscribe to all the service providers listed...
I have posted some fixes to the Updater that should alleviate this problem. Not 100% sure at this point, may still be some issues (you may well see no results for a show search).
After updating you need to perform a manual Update Guide first.
Also, if you're the type to Export your Replays and Lineups, you'll have to do that again after updating or an Import will fail.
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| thanks for your efforts Glenn! |
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Well, it was mostly Ryan, really.
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Sorry for the over-sight, no offense Ryan....
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Good news! JIT list no longer shows channel lineups that I don't subscribe to!
Bad news! Show Search appears to be broken as it returns NO results for any listing at all. (as your unfortunately predicted)
Getting closer though
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Half and Ken,
1st off for the JIT issue. If you have both lineup in your system, I have found the best thing is to have JIT limited for the replays that only get analog channels. For example in my setup, I have two replays that are attached to analog cable and use the replays tuner and two that use cable boxes. The two on cable get almost a 1000 channels but the analog get about 100. So instead of getting all complex with multiple inputs and channel offsets, you can easily have JIT work fine as long as you have the replays which are only on the analog have a channel limit. So for my setup, for replays that are on the direct cable signal, for JIT they have 1-100 as the limiting factor for the shows. For the other replays they don't have the restriction. This works really well.
As far as having both the lineups available to wirns (Ken's question) it really helps if you are serving guide info to the replays and for a few other things, so their is a big advantage to having wirns be able to take either the analog or digital feed.
Another question for everyone: Is anyone having successful JIT programming work with their DNRA database. I found that JIT was scheduling all shows that were in the list and was doing priorities ok, but was ignoring the DNRA database and recording shows it shouldn't have.
Because of all the JIT programming that I have going, I had to revert to 1.3 since Wirns was scheduling a ton of shows I had already seen. I sent info to Glenn but was wondering if anyone else was having any problems with JIT or had it working correctly with 2.0 |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: Show Search Shows All Providers |
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| Glenn1963 wrote: | | hdonzis wrote: | | I apparently NOW have access to all of my video providers |
The simple solution would be to just go ahead and subscribe to all the service providers listed... |
Seems like a bit of an overkill, but if I must, I must!
| Glenn1963 wrote: | I have posted some fixes to the Updater that should alleviate this problem. Not 100% sure at this point, may still be some issues (you may well see no results for a show search).
After updating you need to perform a manual Update Guide first.
Also, if you're the type to Export your Replays and Lineups, you'll have to do that again after updating or an Import will fail. |
That's why it's called PREVIEW and why I am a beta tester...
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| halfrican.ak wrote: | | Show Search appears to be broken |
Ok, that should be less broken now.
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| sanjonny wrote: | Half and Ken,
Another question for everyone: Is anyone having successful JIT programming work with their DNRA database. I found that JIT was scheduling all shows that were in the list and was doing priorities ok, but was ignoring the DNRA database and recording shows it shouldn't have.
Because of all the JIT programming that I have going, I had to revert to 1.3 since Wirns was scheduling a ton of shows I had already seen. I sent info to Glenn but was wondering if anyone else was having any problems with JIT or had it working correctly with 2.0 |
Yes, I am experiencing the same issue with JIT seemingly ignoring the DNRA database. |
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And Henry don't feel too bad... mine isn't scheduled to update the guide for 3 weeks. |
Hmmm... Everytime I run a manual guide update (as I just did for the update that Glenn MADE me run), the next guide update day seems to go up one day. I just posted that when I ran a manual guide update this morning, it set my next guide update as Friday, July 14th, which is three days in the future. When I just ran the manual guide update again, now it says that my next guide update is Saturday, July 15th, which is 4 days in the future. So, I'm thinking that Ken has run so many manual updates that he has bumped his guide update 21 days into the future! 
Anyway, here is my status again:
Status:
Running since: 7/11/07 6:00:08 PM
Guide Update Completed: In Progress
Next Guide Update: 7/15/07 2:00:00 AM
ToDo Refresh Completed: 7/11/07 2:09:17 PM
And, I am hoping that this information will help lead to a fix. I'm thinking that maybe without a Zap2It suggested next update time, that it is simply incrementing the GuideTimer registry key to come up with the next guide update time instead of how I think it used to work before Zap2It started suggesting times of taking the current date and adding one. Although, I see that my registry still has a DDsuggestedTime key with data (July 5th), so maybe that plays some part in it...
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| hdonzis wrote: | ...I hadn't thought about how you can configure each Zap2It lineup with a different zipcode. And, while I wouldn't want to pre-suppose anything, I'm not sure why WiRNS couldn't provide the same support for a zipcode per lineup. I'm just not sure what that would look like at the DNNA side if a Replay was downloading different guide data for different zipcodes. I would have to guess that WiRNS would have to make multiple connections to DNNA to get the guide data for different zipcodes...
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Now you are on to something! 
I'll bet WiRNS could do that since the Replay can already be head faked into doing it. With the "two zip code trick" where you back out of set up, change the zipcode, save, and change another input while keeping an old one.
DNNA doesn't know or care where the channels are located, except when generating headends. I've been proxying various channels from distinct markets for (going on) years now after building the lineups in Zap2It. They all come in on a single connect, just as they do on a replay with split zipcodes.
All it apparently needs to know is some internal ID for particular station/channel and it will bundle the listings with any other combination of channels. If you happen to include (in your "custom" lineup) some channel which DNNA doesn't recognize gives you the channel slot in the guide, but says something like "no listings available" which is what I saw early on using a few digital OTA channels which were listed on Zap2It OTA but likely weren't yet on any cable or sat system with DNNA back then. Over time they all filled in, I'd guess as they became available on digital cable or sat lineups... or perhaps ReplayPC? Surely they are testing it for potential ATSC by now? Otherwise why the mysterious ATSC RF channel numbers now in Antenna lineups?
At any rate that's what WiRNs really should do -- let us bundle our own headends, to meet any specific need in this rapidly changing environment. If the Replays are able to proxy from DNNA anything available on the system in a single connect, why couldn't WiRNS pull such a combination from DNNA for it's own internal use... which of course only has application in conjunction with subscribed ReplayTVs.
Henry perhaps you can code the headend generator plugin? |
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hdonzis
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| KenL wrote: | | hdonzis wrote: | ...I hadn't thought about how you can configure each Zap2It lineup with a different zipcode. And, while I wouldn't want to pre-suppose anything, I'm not sure why WiRNS couldn't provide the same support for a zipcode per lineup. I'm just not sure what that would look like at the DNNA side if a Replay was downloading different guide data for different zipcodes. I would have to guess that WiRNS would have to make multiple connections to DNNA to get the guide data for different zipcodes...
Henry |
Now you are on to something!
I'll bet WiRNS could do that since the Replay can already be head faked into doing it. With the "two zip code trick" where you back out of set up, change the zipcode, save, and change another input while keeping an old one.
DNNA doesn't know or care where the channels are located, except when generating headends. I've been proxying various channels from distinct markets for (going on) years now after building the lineups in Zap2It. They all come in on a single connect, just as they do on a replay with split zipcodes.
All it apparently needs to know is some internal ID for particular station/channel and it will bundle the listings with any other combination of channels. If you happen to include (in your "custom" lineup) some channel which DNNA doesn't recognize gives you the channel slot in the guide, but says something like "no listings available" which is what I saw early on using a few digital OTA channels which were listed on Zap2It OTA but likely weren't yet on any cable or sat system with DNNA back then. Over time they all filled in, I'd guess as they became available on digital cable or sat lineups... or perhaps ReplayPC? Surely they are testing it for potential ATSC by now? Otherwise why the mysterious ATSC RF channel numbers now in Antenna lineups?
At any rate that's what WiRNs really should do -- let us bundle our own headends, to meet any specific need in this rapidly changing environment. If the Replays are able to proxy from DNNA anything available on the system in a single connect, why couldn't WiRNS pull such a combination from DNNA for it's own internal use... which of course only has application in conjunction with subscribed ReplayTVs.
Henry perhaps you can code the headend generator plugin? |
What I CAN do and what I WILL do are two entirely different things!
When I was trying to figure out how all this channel lineup stuff works, I noticed that the Replay keeps files on the providers for every zipcode that you ever configure. Then, it keeps a channel lineup file for every provider that you ever pick. For example, my Replay has a file named headends2.78230, which has all of the providers for my zipcode (which you can see in my ShowSearch snapshot). Also in that file is a unique name for each provider, like mine has that Time Warner cable is "TX42796". Then, once I select Time Warner Cable as a provider, then the Replay creates a file called channels.TX42796 which has all the channel information with the call letters, the tuning channel number, etc.
So, I think one of the problems with mixing zipcodes is that if you wanted to have a lineup for Timer Warner Cable for two different zipcodes, unless Time Warner Cable had different names for each of those zipcodes, you would have a problem with not being able to keep different channels for each provider. Although, I have to assume that those names have to do with the area they are serving, so if there were different stations then it would probably have different provider names. So, maybe it all works out. But, because of the way that the Replay keeps track of this all, I can see how it might just happen to work by accident when you setup two zipcodes as you describe. But, since WiRNS has its own way of keeping channel lineups, I would certainly hope that it wouldn't suffer from the same limitations...
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I have to comment that either something is wrong with RDDNS, or the WiRNS has become very sensitive to network problems. I keep having WiRNS report that RDDNS is down, logging errors:
[7/11/07 18:28:15] HTTPClient: HTTP error connecting to rddns-production.replaytv.net
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| Glenn1963 wrote: | | halfrican.ak wrote: | | Show Search appears to be broken |
Ok, that should be less broken now. |
OK, I updated again, but didn't peform a guide update, and now my show search is down to only listing my cable providers:
So, at least now I don't have to spend quite so much money subscribing to different video providers to keep Glenn from having to fix this!
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